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09-07-2007
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Appropriate Clothing
Recently a passenger was asked to deplane a Southwest flight out of San Diego because her outfit was too revealing.
This passenger was on the Today Show recently and is making a federal case about it.
I don't want to debate this particular case but wanted to see where you guys stand about what's appropriate dress for men and women.
There's an very interesting interview on the DVD "Every Young Man's Battle" where a young woman confesses that the clothes she used to wear might have caused guys to stumble and that she considers that in the clothes she wears now.
Living in Southern California, I just have to shake my head at some of the skimpy outfits that women and even young girls (11 or 12 year olds) wear.
Then there are the guys with the oversized pants that are wore at the bottom of their rear ends, revealing their underwear.
I'm 42, so I guess that's part of why I just don't get it!
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09-07-2007
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I think she's being ridiculous personally.... if you're gonna dress scantily to get attention (or be stupid enough to not realize you're going to attract attention) then you need to be ready to deal with the consequences; the attention might not be the kind you want but that's the game you play.
More of the "I can do what I want and everyone has to put up with ME" attitude so prevalent in society today.
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09-07-2007
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Hmm.. I wrote this in a forum where they were discussing the appropriateness of wearing skirts to church.
Actually, there isn't anything in the bible that speaks of clothing. Jesus actually walked on this planet wearing nothing.
In our society, it is a custom that you should wear suits or dresses to church. Actually, you can go to church almost naked, as did people in the biblical times. However, today, if you dress poorly, that means you don't have respect. For example, if I dress poorly to a wedding, that means I don't have respect for the marriage.
If you wear a mini-skirt, you are perpetuating the fact that you are INTENTIONALLY acting like a whore. Because in our society nakedness is related to sexuality, people put two and two together and assume that you are a whore, not a Christian.
If you go to church with a miniskirt on, it doesn't make you any less of a Christian than anyone else wearing a dress. God doesn't judge you any less. He sees through your intentions. If you are going to church with a miniskirt because that is all you can afford (strangely), that's okay. But if you are going to church wearing a miniskirt because you are too lazy to wear a suit you have, or too sexual, or think you need to look good and be a sexually attractive person, or to proud to be modest, then that is sinful.
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The "causing your brother to stumble" issue is also part of this, no? Granted, Paul is taking about food that is eaten (Romans 14), but I think this is relevant to our discussion.
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09-07-2007
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Hmm.. I wrote this in a forum where they were discussing the appropriateness of wearing skirts to church.
Actually, there isn't anything in the bible that speaks of clothing. Jesus actually walked on this planet wearing nothing.
In our society, it is a custom that you should wear suits or dresses to church. Actually, you can go to church almost naked, as did people in the biblical times. However, today, if you dress poorly, that means you don't have respect. For example, if I dress poorly to a wedding, that means I don't have respect for the marriage.
If you wear a mini-skirt, you are perpetuating the fact that you are INTENTIONALLY acting like a whore. Because in our society nakedness is related to sexuality, people put two and two together and assume that you are a whore, not a Christian.
If you go to church with a miniskirt on, it doesn't make you any less of a Christian than anyone else wearing a dress. God doesn't judge you any less. He sees through your intentions. If you are going to church with a miniskirt because that is all you can afford (strangely), that's okay. But if you are going to church wearing a miniskirt because you are too lazy to wear a suit you have, or too sexual, or think you need to look good and be a sexually attractive person, or to proud to be modest, then that is sinful.
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First off, as a former Bostonian, I don't even own a tie + the only suit that I do own was because it's the one that I wore when we got married--it no longer fits. Normal wear here in North ID, even for church, is tshirt + shorts +/or jeans. Sandals are always ok. Otherwise, if you dress in anything beyond sweats, we'll think that you're dressed or are a transplant here and don't know any better.
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09-08-2007
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actually, i think the whole suit and tie thing originates in the south. I actually wear a tshirt and jeans as well!
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First,I do not think Jesus was walking naked at all,they had clothes.As for the women;if you cannot find clothes that will cover your breasts;lose weight,or just get clothes that will cover up.Summer time;certain cultures;the warm weather or are thye trying to catch the eyes of men?
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the warm weather or are thye trying to catch the eyes of men?
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Thing is Ken, the act of catching mens' eyes is so ingrained into women in our culture that they don't even realize that they have formed a NEED to do it; it has become subconscious. Part of their sense of self-worth (or all of it) is dependant on attracting stares and raising eyebrows.
This lady filing the lawsuit believes that she has a right to dress as she wishes, and to a degree she is correct.... unfortunately she has forgotten the other parts that come with any "right", and that is the responsible use of that right, and the willingness to deal with the consequences of your use of that right.
She wants to dress as she pleases, not have to think/care about how it affects others and she certainly doesn't want anyone telling her she has crossed a line.
Southwest has a right to set guidelines and a right to enforce them as much as she has a right to dress as she wishes. Unfortunately for her, she is purchasing services from THEM, so they hold the trump card and can refuse her the service. Yes, they then have to face the consequences of their use of their right, but she seems upset that they even had the gall to tell her what to do.
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09-08-2007
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Dress like a hooch, get treated like a hooch.....
Dress like a thug, get treated like a thug.
My wife tried to by my daughter some clothing that was too revealing for a girl her age. I reminded her of the Jessica Lundsford case, and the other cases around that time. Pervs don't need yet another reason to ogle little girls.
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Which brings up a struggling point for me.
How do we tell parents that if they let their daughters dress provocatively, they stand a higher risk of being molested or raped without coming off as a pervert ourselves?
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